Whitey oppressing Bonds

[BigChiefChineseRestaurant]

Well, I guess that depends.

I mean, we all think Stevie had a ton of integrity. At least it looked that way right?
But do we actually know that?

How about Chris Chelios? He's a cheater. That's one of the reasons why we love him.

Phil Neikro? Cheater. Ty Cobb? Cheater. Gaylord Perry? Cheater.

Maybe we're looking for too much if we're looking for athletes to have integrity.
Maybe we should look at it as entertainment.

Point taken. However, I think there is a difference between steroid use happening off the field and spiked cleats, pine tar, files (btw did you mean JOE Niekro?) and doctored pitches on the field. I know, I just stepped into the arena of "the double standard" and "having it both ways," but I personally differentiate between the two. For stuff that happens in game, at least there are umps and opposing players that can police that stuff. Once a juiced player is on the field, there is nothing that can stop him from taking advantage of the benefits of steroids. Furthermore, I think steroids have a much bigger impact than all the other stuff.

As far as having integrity, this is my view: when I have kids, they are going to inevitably look up to pro athletes, whether I like it or not. And if that is going to happen, I at least want to be able to point them toward pro athletes that are role models and demonstrate good values. I don't expect all athletes to be like that, but I'm generally a bigger fan of athletes that are. I know most people don't care, but it's no coincidence that my favorite athletes are pretty good people (Trammell, Inge, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg).

Not for nothing, but we don't know a lot about these athletes.
I've heard stories about one of those guys listed above, I won't say who, that would turn your hair white.

I think Charles Barkley has it right. We need to stop trying to make athletes role models.

The media builds these people up to superhuman status, and then, as it is doing with Bonds now, gleefully laughs as they rip them apart.

Ah, sorry, in that regard I certainly agree. Guess I was thinking that that is sort of already happening... the awareness of steroids' drawbacks.

Something isn't computing with people, because steroids are rampant among athletes of all ages.
They're either stupid or ignorant.

[jaster]

I've heard stories about one of those guys listed above, I won't say who, that would turn your hair white.

Oh come on now, you can't leave me hanging like that lol. I can take it. I know plenty of Yzerman stories that would surprise a lot of people.

[BigChiefChineseRestaurant]

I've heard stories about one of those guys listed above, I won't say who, that would turn your hair white.

Oh come on now, you can't leave me hanging like that lol. I can take it. I know plenty of Yzerman stories that would surprise a lot of people.

It's hearsay ... not about Stevie ...

Although there are some wicked stories about some of the Wings from the 80s and mid 90s.

[jaster]

One of the guys I play hockey with was a career minor leaguer, but he attended a couple Wings camps and played a few preseason games with them in the early 90s. He's got lots of wild stories. Some are exhagerated I'm sure, but boy are they wild.

So, give me a hint on your story

[stillsomeguy]

Whitey oppressing black college football player:

An Oklahoma State linebacker is accused of raping a 12-year-old white girl when he was in high school and the New York Times is eager to portray him as a "good kid" and suggest that racism may be in play.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/sport ... ref=slogin

Funny, I don’t remember the New York Times writing sympathetic puff pieces about any of the Duke lacrosse players who were alleged to have raped the black stripper. In fact, I believe the NYT’s response when the Duke story broke was, essentially, "get a rope.”

There is no liberal bias in mainstream news reporting, though.

[redwinghockeyfan]

I don't understand why they would insinuate that race has anything to do with why we don't want to see him break the record. It is a black man breaking another black mans record. Ask the same question in 7-10 years when A-rod breaks it and it will be different even though he is of a different race. Why? probably because most people outside of SanFran think Bonds is a spoiled a$$hole, or they don't want to see a steroid pumped player hold that record.

[stillsomeguy]

I don't understand why they would insinuate that race has anything to do with why we don't want to see him break the record.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... beral_bias

The current survey finds that 30% of American adults believe the Associated Press has a liberal bias and only 12% believe it leans the other way. Local television news is viewed as having a liberal bias by 30% and a conservative bias by 17%. MSNBC is seen as being a bit more to the left—33% say it has a liberal bias and 13% say the opposite. For CNBC, 29% say it has a liberal bias and 14% say a conservative bias.

Also, from 2004:

http://foi.missouri.edu/mediacredibilit ... bling.html

..a recent Gallup Poll says Americans rate the trustworthiness of journalists at about the level of politicians and as only slightly more credible than used-car salesmen. The poll suggests that only 21 percent of Americans believe journalists have high ethical standards, ranking them below auto mechanics but tied with members of Congress.

***

More precisely, the poll notes that only one in four people believe what they read in the newspapers. Chicago Tribune Editor Charles M. Madigan may have put it best when he offered this advice: "If you are a journalist, you should probably just assume that you come across as a liar."

[BigChiefChineseRestaurant]

Whitey oppressing black college football player:

An Oklahoma State linebacker is accused of raping a 12-year-old white girl when he was in high school and the New York Times is eager to portray him as a "good kid" and suggest that racism may be in play.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/sport ... ref=slogin

Funny, I don’t remember the New York Times writing sympathetic puff pieces about any of the Duke lacrosse players who were alleged to have raped the black stripper. In fact, I believe the NYT’s response when the Duke story broke was, essentially, "get a rope.”

There is no liberal bias in mainstream news reporting, though.

The same New York Times that cheered the Iraq war on the front page and editorial pages? The same New York Times that trumpets free trade regulations which "liberals" believe hurt the environment, workers and soveriegnty? Is that the "liberal" mainstream press you're talking about?

heh.

Funny that you automatically equate preferential treatment of blacks as "liberal."

Almost afraid to think of how you define "conservative."

[BigChiefChineseRestaurant]

I don't understand why they would insinuate that race has anything to do with why we don't want to see him break the record.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... beral_bias

The current survey finds that 30% of American adults believe the Associated Press has a liberal bias and only 12% believe it leans the other way. Local television news is viewed as having a liberal bias by 30% and a conservative bias by 17%. MSNBC is seen as being a bit more to the left—33% say it has a liberal bias and 13% say the opposite. For CNBC, 29% say it has a liberal bias and 14% say a conservative bias.

Also, from 2004:

http://foi.missouri.edu/mediacredibilit ... bling.html

..a recent Gallup Poll says Americans rate the trustworthiness of journalists at about the level of politicians and as only slightly more credible than used-car salesmen. The poll suggests that only 21 percent of Americans believe journalists have high ethical standards, ranking them below auto mechanics but tied with members of Congress.

***

More precisely, the poll notes that only one in four people believe what they read in the newspapers. Chicago Tribune Editor Charles M. Madigan may have put it best when he offered this advice: "If you are a journalist, you should probably just assume that you come across as a liar."

Yeah, well, when journalists cheer on the war even though the reasons for war are false ... and then, a year or two later, do a 180, and now are calling for a retreat (with apparently no regard for the power vacuum we'd leave and the mess that would cause), you can see that.

[stillsomeguy]

Newsie yelped:

"The same New York Times that cheered the Iraq war on the front page and editorial pages? The same New York Times that trumpets free trade regulations which "liberals" believe hurt the environment, workers and soveriegnty? Is that the "liberal" mainstream press you're talking about?"

From the Public Editor (a committed Democrat) at the NYT, written in July, 2004:

Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?

OF course it is.

The fattest file on my hard drive is jammed with letters from the disappointed, the dismayed and the irate who find in this newspaper a liberal bias that infects not just political coverage but a range of issues from abortion to zoology to the appointment of an admitted Democrat to be its watchdog. (That would be me.) By contrast, readers who attack The Times from the left -- and there are plenty -- generally confine their complaints to the paper's coverage of electoral politics and foreign policy.

I'll get to the politics-and-policy issues this fall (I want to watch the campaign coverage before I conclude anything), but for now my concern is the flammable stuff that ignites the right. These are the social issues: gay rights, gun control, abortion and environmental regulation, among others. And if you think The Times plays it down the middle on any of them, you've been reading the paper with your eyes closed.

...

Start with the editorial page, so thoroughly saturated in liberal theology that when it occasionally strays from that point of view the shocked yelps from the left overwhelm even the ceaseless rumble of disapproval from the right.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... gewanted=1

So, thanks for playing, hack. Have you considered selling used cars as a career choice?